Angry: The PWE debate continued & should redemptions be toploaded

This post has been triggered by my tantrum Twitter last night which led to some great conversations with the community. Recently I have buying up Panini Points in hopes of being prepared should Panini add a card that I need for my Prestige collection in its rewards catalog. I have bought 3 or 4 of them and paid for shipping for all but one that came in a plain white envelope. Now for the record, if I pay anything under $2, I have no problem getting my card in a PWE as long as it is toploaded. Recently one of those cards came in a PWE without a toploader for a card where shipping was $2.89. This leads me to two questions: the neverending PWE debate and should redemptions:

I have been burned so many times by people who charge me for shipping and ship in a PWE that I have included a message in the top of my Ebay profile:

“AngryCardCollector.com I don t run a card shop. Anything I sell is to get money so I can buy more cards. If I buy a card from you where you charge me more than $2 in shipping and don t ship in a bubble mailer, I will ask for a refund on shipping.”

http://www.ebay.com/usr/pandanwh. I am actually going to change it soon because this week I realized that I could say it clearer grammatically. I just haven’t changed it because I don’t want the seller that I am dealing with to call me out on it. I am also going to include that I will leave negative feedback if not refunded because that has been my modus-operandi: whenever I get a PWE and confirm that I was charged over $2 shipping I ask for a refund and leave negative feedback if the seller gets angry at me or refuses to do it. I know more than anyone that being a seller is hard enough but I do live by a few rules and this PWE issue is one of them. I also always ask for $2 back so the seller so can at least keep his stamp money; although in my mind a seller who sends a card in a PWE deserves to lose all of it.

For those that don’t know: shipping in a bubble mailer under five ounces within the US is $2.67. Now I have no problem if I am charged anything under $4 to account for the cost of a bubble mailer. Also while Ebay gives a discount on shipping, they negate that by taking a higher percentage of a seller’s shipping cost; probably because too many people get greedy and try to make money off shipping.

Before moving on to the redemption question, I am going to bring up a tangent. I will leave the seller that I am currently having an issue with negative feedback unless he refunds me in the time frame that I gave him for one very reason: he says that I didn’t ask nicely so he is refusing. So I must ask what is a nice way to say:  “Hey, I don’t like that you screwed me on shipping. Refund me before midnight on this day or I will negative feedback.” Obviously I say it a tad nicer but you get the gist of it. As far as I am concerned, you can write this out in the nicest way possible, if that is even a scenario, and the seller will still call you out because he sees right through it. So as far as I am concerned saying that you won’t refund anyone for that reason, regardless of the issue, is a way of showing that you are the dick and not the person who you are accusing. Although, for the record: I do not deny being a dick in some of my messages with sellers. In a few cases, it takes the seller two messages to respond, so I am forced to get harsh.

Now moving on to redemptions. As far as I am concerned, any card being shipped in a PWE deserves a PWE; there are no exceptions. This included redemptions. Also redemptions deserve their own bubble mailer if you charge over $2 shipping. This is actually a perk for me as I reuse bubble mailers because I unfortunately live in a world where $2 matters to me – call me cheap but I am not denying that and that is the reality of someone living on a tight budget.

Panini points are a joke. I am not denying that, even though I have picked up cards that are valuable to me via the program. The points are at the bottom of the redemption ladder. Now just because points are the cheapest of the redemptions, doesn’t mean that they deserve any less than other redemptions. Taking away the Trout’s of the world, let’s use another example: take a redemption for a player like Justin Bohr, David West, or any late round NFL draft prospect. Their cards have always come to me in a bubble mailer. I would love to hear if they haven’t for you.

I have been collecting hardcore since 2003, and have bought several redemption cards. When shipped to me, they have always come in a bubble mailer when I paid for one. Truthfully I have never thought about redemptions deserving less when shipped. As far as I am concerned they are no different to me than base cards or inserts that are worthy of being sold individually. Some people have taken me to task for demanding my points be at least toploaded. Here is my rationale for this: while I throw the card away after I use the code, what if I was going to flip it? I would want it in the best condition possible. Card condition reflects on me regardless if it is a base or Ted Williams autograph.

I would love to hear people’s opinions on this. Also feel free to call me out if you think that I am wrong on any of this. My mind wants to be changed because I know that will make me easier to deal with when this inevitably happens again. This is a never ending debate in the card community so don’t be afraid to share. I also re-Tweet thoughtful responses on Twitter to this.

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Angry: Ebay Misadventures

I don’t buy from Ebay a lot but when I do it becomes an addiction. In fact, I went a good 9 months without buying from Ebay. Unfortunately for my wallet, I have been on an Ebay kick lately. This week, I have paid for it. I have 3 adventures to share, two of which happened yesterday alone.

  1. If you follow me on Twitter you know what happened. I paid $2.99 shipping for a card. It came in a plain white envelope and no top loader. Consequently, the card was damaged.
    As I gave said before, if I don’t mind a PWE sometimes but I better not pay shipping if I do, and it better come protected. The description said it would be shipped in a top loader.
    He said that he would refund me yesterday. As of today, no refund is showing. I don’t know if I will be getting a refund on just shipping or the whole item. I will take what I can get. I only paid 99 cents for the card plus shipping; not the end of the world.
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    Update, refund in hand. Got everything paid back, seller keeps their perfect rating.
  2.  This one is from an impulse buy that I actually regretted the second I accepted the offer. I put a low offer on a card I didn’t need, as it wasn’t a part of my Prestige collection or even really on my want list. We haggled and met halfway. I regretted it the second that I paid for it.
    It appears to be a normal Ebay transaction. A tracking number appears and it is all set to go. I get a message yesterday saying that he tore his house apart and couldn’t find the card. He said that I would get a refund.
    As of writing this, I have yet to see a refund.
  3. I bought a bunch of cards from a seller. You know one of those where you win an auction and check out the sellers other auctions. It was actually one of those where I lost the card that I wanted but already bought a bunch of stuff from the seller preparing to get said card and make it worth it to me. Anyway, I get a message saying that he forgot to put a card in the package he sent me. This happened almost a week ago. As of writing this, that card has yet to show up.

 

MOTHER F’ING EBAY

Angry: PWE’s soaked & no top-loader

The debate on sending cards in plain white envelopes, referred to as PWEs from here on out, is endless. I have a beef regarding them for two different situations that happened this week to me:
On Thursday I got a card shipped to me in a PWE and the envelope was soaked. I got the mail right away during a day when it was pouring rain. I usually don’t open my packages right away but I always open my PWEs right away, mainly so I can send the person a message calling them out if I paid for shipping. Well I didn’t pay for shipping but I was glad that I opened it because the top loader started to get soaked. If I would’ve waited even an hour longer, the card would’ve had water damage. So I dodged a bullet on that one, and my only issue was the person didn’t put the card in a team bag and/or wrap it better.
On Friday, I had a bigger beef: the card shipped to me didn’t come in a top-loader. Is it wrong to expect at the very least to get the card in a top-loader for free shipping? Send it in one covered in tape for all I care, but send it in a top loader.

So my question, is it wrong to expect cards shipped in PWEs in a top-loader?

Site update: I normally like to spread out my posts between days, but that won’t be the case until the end of the year. I want to start the year fresh and don’t want to post about any cards that I got in 2016 in 2017. I have a few Bid Board Finds that have been sitting on my desk for a month, so expect them to be posted soon. Hopefully, I will get some Christmas cards, and I still need to open my package from COMC that recently arrived.

Angry #2: PWE mailing discussion

Last week, I triggered a Twitter discussion on receiving cards in plain white envelopes, note: for the rest of the article I will be referring to them as ‘PWE.’For the most part, I have no problem with receiving cards in PWEs. Most of the time they are protected and  shipping is free. My opinion has only been swayed because I saw first hand the dangers of PWEs, as seen in a previous post: Danger of Plain White Envelopes. If you are too lazy to click, here is a picture:

Plain White Envelope Danger-Daniel DuBay
Plain White Envelope Danger-Daniel DuBay

What I hate it buying from sellers who are misleading about it. If I have to pay any form of shipping over the price of a stamp, I am ‘angry.’ Most of the time, I begrudgingly do it because my budget forces me to be thrifty and I really want the card. Most of the time sellers are very transparent about sending cards in PWEs.
What triggered the Twitter discussion was the fact that I paid a dollar for shipping and the seller didn’t say anything about the card being shipped in a PWE.

I was also angry when the next day, a card that was free shipping arrived like this20160721_122827

That may seem like nothing but you could fit a finger through it. The point is, I am getting to the point where I am over PWEs. Most people that send them don’t know how to protect the cards. The few that do charge for shipping. If it is for a contest, fine. For the most part, I send cards in heavily protected PWEs, but if you are selling a card and I get an envelope like above, I am not buying from you again. PWEs are bad for sellers as much as buyers.

The discussion triggered a lot of responses. They ranged from: ‘I have no problem as long as the card wasn’t damaged” to “Block that person.” I am curious what you think?
I personally left the person that triggered the discussion good but nasty feedback. How would you have reacted?

Danger of Plain White Envelopes

Plain White Envelope Danger-Daniel DuBay
Plain White Envelope Danger-Daniel DuBay

As a card collector on a budget, I personally never minded plain white envelopes. I knew that cards could get damaged but I have never been one to be anal about the condition of cards. I can handle a small ding here and there if it means that I get an awesome card for my personal collection at a good price. As a college student on a limited income, I know that cards are excess so I can’t spend a ton of money when I do buy them. The $2 to $4 difference that most sellers give you for shipping cards in plain white envelopes-from now on referred to as PWEs- has always been helpful because little things like that are the difference between eating at Taco Bell after class or eating the better food on campus. I always thought that people that complained were a little obnoxious about it, until something happened to me. (No, I am not referring to the people who charge you $2 to $4 for shipping and still send you card to you in a PWE. There is a special place in hell for those people.)
As you can see from the picture, my opinions were about to be changed. That is the picture of a PWE that was supposed to have a card that I paid for. The card was missing because the envelope got so damaged during the shipping process. Thankfully the seller refunded my money when I sent him the picture, all $2 of it for a Greg Monroe jersey card.

This got me thinking, what can be done if you ship a card in a PWE. (Full disclosure, when I run contests in the near future, I will be shipping the cards in a PWE, unless the winner wants to pay for a bubble mailer.) In the past, I always wrapped the cards in a piece of paper but I know that is not enough. The best answer that I could come up with, would be to wrap the majority of the envelope in clear tape. This would allow for the address area to be still be legible and you can make it not get in the way of machines reading the stamp. If anyone has a better way to improve shipping in PWEs, I am all ears and would love to hear suggestions-snarky comments about well just use a bubble mailer will be ignored.